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12 December 2013 @ 10:03 pm
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jcaplverjcaplver on December 13th, 2013 03:04 am (UTC)
so how do they go to house hunting next episode?!? I think it may just be Arizona by herself then showing Callie or no discussion and Arizona hides it for longer.
chenideechenidee on December 13th, 2013 03:06 am (UTC)
Lordy idk why it's so hard for Arizona to open her mouth and say these things to Callie. Really irks me like no other.

I'm thinking she's looking for a house for herself next episode. They donezo.
klutzy_girlklutzy_girl on December 13th, 2013 03:07 am (UTC)
Nope, I don't believe they're done at all. I think they will finally have a conversation and talk things out, thus the house.

And then trying for a baby again some time during the second half of this season.
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zenparadoxzenparadox on December 13th, 2013 03:11 am (UTC)
Yeah, Arizona was finally able to articulate what was bothering her, now she just needs to direct those words to Callie. She said herself she knows Callie's not doing it on purpose... I think they fix it next episode then house shop because they'll have talked.
tweetums219: C/A 6.20tweetums219 on December 13th, 2013 03:13 am (UTC)
This is pretty much what happened. The door is open to pick up with this thread in 10.13. These are fixable issues, and it looks like they're finally in a place where they can actually address them.

We have physical, photographic proof that Callie and Arizona are house hunting at some point next episode. I don't see the worry over this whole thing.
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keebs26keebs26 on December 13th, 2013 03:11 am (UTC)
That ep left me less optimistic. Arizona basically admitted she's not sure if Callie will ever make her feel as wanted as she once felt. I can't imagine Arizona's house hunting alone, yet Callie's with her. Doesn't make too much sense.

Calzona has been talking without actually talking. Arizona finally says how she feels & she says it to April. I think the drama is far from over & it kind of makes me sad for 10b.
captstarbuckcaptstarbuck on December 13th, 2013 03:12 am (UTC)
I think they need to talk, and if they don't, then they're done. Az loves callie, but she doesn't feel loved. And I don't think either of them have said it to one another in a long long time
mcculbri on December 13th, 2013 03:21 am (UTC)
Is it wrong to me - I hope April says NOOOO buddy I gave you a chance and you threw it in my face.
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heartsoccer on December 13th, 2013 03:31 am (UTC)
anyone else with me in THIS FINALE SUCKED!

Who didnt guess the jackson stopping the wedding it was so obviious that if he didnt say anything i would have been surprised.

Callie and Arizona not talking again... not really a cliffhanger. Az did kinda have the sad look on her face and kinda agree could be her ending them again. Could be her buying house on her own and seriously how long are they going to drag them not talking out?? enough already

Dont care about shane
Really the president calling derek? this isnt scandal shonda
Mer/chrstina made up thats not a cliffhanger
navy01 on December 13th, 2013 03:44 am (UTC)
I so agree with you it SUCKED!!!
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dorcasbarcus: AZ grindorcasbarcus on December 13th, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
Arizona's self realization takes them right to the house. The minister talked all about committing and weathering a storm just as she looked at Callie. It's the purge she needed - we've seen 4 episodes of what they consider "hard work" and both having these come to Jesus moments. Maybe a little time jump going into13 and maybe then it is a new chapter for them. Onward.

Unless Sara doesn't sign a new contract and that is pretty unlikely, I would think.
theresaw1934theresaw1934 on December 13th, 2013 06:10 am (UTC)
Speculative: Callie made it clear in this episode that Derek's mind was critical to their brain mapping project. Perhaps the result of Derek's phone call with the president will generate some ah-hah moments or at least one or two lines of dialog between Callie and Arizona. Seems like a logical next step if their *Derek and Callie's* existing project gets pushed -- maybe???

Arizona's feelings rang true to trauma survivors. Glad she finally voiced them to someone. She has definitely accepted the new her and moved past "the leg" - self acceptance is wonderful.

One last relational hurdle and we're there. Hopefully as you say, it will come sooner than later. Twelve more episodes is too long.
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runonsunshine24runonsunshine24 on December 13th, 2013 03:43 am (UTC)
Jesse Williams said in his THR interview that we come back and there is a combination of the immediate reaction and then also a time jump.

The house hunting will probably be after the time jump.
jcaplverjcaplver on December 13th, 2013 03:59 am (UTC)
I hafn't read that do you have the link. they could still break up and only Arizona is looking for the house. so many possibilities at least we are always kept guessing.
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nyladreams: Calstinanyladreams on December 13th, 2013 03:51 am (UTC)
As many people have pointed out, this ONE little conversation will fix it - clear the cobwebs and the doubt and then they can move forward.
I don't foresee tptb dragging this particular "issue" out for too much longer. Now that Arizona has expressed it, it's opened the door for it to be dealt with.

And ya know what? I bet we get an amazing scene of Callie professing her love and desire to Arizona (something I know folks around here have been clamoring for) in response to their misjudgement of actions and feelings.

Their journey is still very much in the beginning stages, and when all is said and done it's going to be so so sweet.

Now we just have to wait 2 1/2 freaking months. lol
harki31harki31 on December 13th, 2013 03:55 am (UTC)
Hiatus right when it gets to the good part. lol

I think Callie and Arizona should check in everyday with each other about how they are feeling because those two are never on the same page.
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heartsoccer on December 13th, 2013 04:50 am (UTC)
If there is a time jump and they broke up it makes sense one would buy a house. They arent going to live in a hotel forever. Also if its one of them it makes sense they would show the other the house considering its where sofia will be half the time

Plus the pic is a second of a scene, sofia may have been there just not seen in the pic
czee3 on December 13th, 2013 05:00 am (UTC)
-this storyline between Callie and Arizona reminds me a bit of the story The Gift of the Magi.  Della, like Arizona, worried if her husband would still find her pretty after she cut her hair off. Jim loved his wife, hair had nothing to do with it, like I believe Callie loves Arizona. Arizona is willing to set aside her vanity in terms of the leg because Callie is more important than the leg. Callie is pouring herself into the research, making it a priority, in order to benefit Arizona, to fix what she feels she took from her. They do this for each other because they love each other and want each other to be happy.

-Arizona's honesty was refreshing, not just why she did it but what she's worried about now.

-loved April's outburst with her bridesmaids, she's a keeper and a good friend for Arizona

-I think the message is in the words exchanged between Mer & Cristina, they've changed, and that's okay

-My opinion is Callie and Arizona will be just fine couple-wise, but Arizona still needs to meltdown a bit. It may not happen right away but sometime in the next 12 episodes she needs to have a PTSD related breakdown, giving us more couple drama.
freebd99freebd99 on December 14th, 2013 05:42 pm (UTC)
" she needs to have a PTSD related breakdown"

Given what Arizona has voiced in this episode, just curious why you think a PTSD driven meltdown is still needed?

Don't you think she demonstrated signs of PTSD in S9, even if it was never specifically stated?

Just curious.
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cardfan82 on December 13th, 2013 05:36 am (UTC)
https://twitter.com/karingleason/status/411365405655977984

Karin Gleason says they do talk eventually.

Edited at 2013-12-13 05:36 am (UTC)
canerdcanerd on December 13th, 2013 05:44 am (UTC)
Good news: we have confirmation that they will talk.

Bad news: we have to wait two and a half months for it.
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keebs26keebs26 on December 13th, 2013 06:01 am (UTC)
My official prediction for 10x13. I think while all the drama unfolds because of what Jackson did, everyone will disperse a bit & Arizona will finally have the guts to talk to Callie about what she told April. Callie will for once listen, be there, comfort & reassure Arizona. Possibly get some "I love you's"? This could fit into the "spoiler" about it coming back to where it left off AND a time jump. So buying a house buy still makes sense for the time jump if their talk is good & they finally get on the same page.

If I'm wrong & it's nothing but more drama & it's not them who's buying the house...then I just give up. haha
simply215 on December 13th, 2013 06:12 am (UTC)
I thought this episode was very promising for them. Callie seems happier, but is oblivious to Arizona's needs. I do think Arizona will tell her or maybe even April will tell her about the conversation. Arizona is worried that Callie doesn't see her the same way and I feel they are on different pages totally. Callie wants to help Arizona because she maybe believes Arizona still wants Callie to "save her leg" in a sense. And Arizona can't see that Callie adores her and loves her no matter what. Still boils down to having an actual conversation though. I think 10x13 with the Lizard Guy is going to open Callie eyes a bit.

I think Leah realizes she's being a bit nuts over Arizona and is going to back off and focus more on her work. I actually kind of liked her in the episode.
trstone on December 13th, 2013 07:49 am (UTC)
I think the pic that was leaked is what it appears to be...they're house hunting, must be a time jump in there..

When people who are married can't read one another, can't see in their partner's eyes what they are thinking, feeling...when married people can't and don't say the basic things to one another...when married people don't have the courage or the desire to share the most important things about what is in their hearts....in the real world, such people are not really 'married'...they may have great love and lust and desire for each other and they may want very much to be married and to be soulmates, but...being unable or unwilling to speak and dare and lay yourself out for your partner is a sign that you are not actually married....but this is Grey's and I'm almost completely sure that these two will be just fine by the end of ep 13......hence the house hunting...
arizonasgirlmdarizonasgirlmd on December 14th, 2013 06:45 pm (UTC)
Wasn't there a side that said during a paperwork signing meeting one of the girls looked apprehensive?? I'm hoping it isn't theme signing for the house and arizona still isn't happy and is getting cold feet while Callie is oblivious. :(. This mid season finale has left me worried about them
Raglan_Roadcurtains_wide on December 13th, 2013 11:45 am (UTC)
I know it's bothering people that Arizona said this stuff to April and not Callie, bit am I the only one who sees the very human reason a person who cheated on their spouse would do that?

I know it's very lovely to be mature and hash all your stuff out together but I can understand Arizona's fear of expressing this to Callie. Callie who has recently taken her back, who up until this episode still seemed to be struggling with forgiveness, who was none too pleased to learn of Arizona's dalliance with Leah. I get why she doesn't want to lay a "I cheated on you because this other person made me feel awesome and you don't anymore" on her and await the reaction to that. I mean logically it's what she should do and what she ultimately HAS to do if she wants her marriage to work out. But I get that she would fear Callie's response to the stuff she told April and thus her reluctance in expressing it to her wife. She just got her back. Despite what is clearly a huge issue with feeling inadequate in Callie's eyes, she still clearly wants to be in this marriage and upsetting Callie with this is obviously something she is actively trying to avoid. What I found both romantic but also kind of sad about the whole speech to April is that I think she would rather be in a marriage where Callie is obliviously happy and she is not than to not have Callie at all.

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freebd99freebd99 on December 13th, 2013 12:00 pm (UTC)
" I know it's very lovely to be mature and hash all your stuff out together but I can understand Arizona's fear of expressing this to Callie.......She just got her back. Despite what is clearly a huge issue with feeling inadequate in Callie's eyes, she still clearly wants to be in this marriage and upsetting Callie with this is obviously something she is actively trying to avoid."
- Totally agree. Your comment reflects what I often times feel is the audience putting these characters on a pedestal. Granted it's TV and they are super hero's at time but there are moments where the writing tries to make it more realistic and I think it rings true in this situation. Fortunately "upsetting Callie" is her perception.

"what I found both romantic but also kind of sad about the whole speech to April is that I think she would rather be in a marriage where Callie is obliviously happy and she is not than to not have Callie at all. "
- Yes, i think some of this is true but I think she's learned that she can't keep it all in anymore and she's afraid that when it all come out that she'll lose Callie but that's obviously not true, at least to me. : -)

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hjazzhjazz on December 14th, 2013 12:03 am (UTC)
Arizona said "Sometimes we try to make things better and we have no idea that we're actually causing more pain", but then she followed up with "Of course we don't tell him".

I wonder if that extends to what she thinks about telling Callie how she felt about Callie trying to fix her. That has always been Arizona's MO, to not tell Callie what she feels if that meant hurting her (including little things like the time in 818 when she said she didn't tell Callie about her exes in the hospital to spare her the pain), until things exploded in her face.

I know two of the crew members say Callie and Arizona are going to get a conversation eventually, but I sometimes wonder if their idea of a "conversation" is the same as that of a fan's. The show doesn't really delve deep into any character's issues, unless you're Meredith and Cristina (their fight was ugly, but really honest and I loved it), and I don't know if the "conversation" they will have is really going to be deep or just superficially touch the surface of their problems.

Before a fan clarified what she meant by "conversation", David Greenspan thought she meant just regular talking. And didn't he say there was a Callie/Arizona conversation in 1009? I don't know if he just meant "talking", or if he thought the "I can't take any more loss" scene was it (out of all the scenes, that came closest to what I think their "conversation" would be). If the latter, I can't say I was satisfied because although I loved the scene, it wasn't really a "conversation" for me because Arizona got like 2 sentences out before she got shut down again.
arizonasgirlmdarizonasgirlmd on December 14th, 2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
Wasn't there a side saying during the paperwork signing one of them
Would be apprehensive? I'm worried it's arizona and they are going to be over for good :(
tweetums219: C/A 6.20tweetums219 on December 14th, 2013 08:12 pm (UTC)
The other person is nervous, but her partner turns to her and speaks of dreams for the future and reassures her. She, assuming it's Arizona, hears those words and is resolute when she picks up the pen and signs the papers. She wants exactly the same thing.
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