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cardfan82
Oct. 26th, 2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
Past details is old feelings. Then again the press releases are worded strangely sometimes and plays out completely different.
jcaplver
Oct. 26th, 2013 03:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah it could be Calzona is pretending to be together and then the past details revealed is to Carlos that Arizona cheated.
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jb4uiwill
Oct. 26th, 2013 03:17 pm (UTC)
I agree that Carlos' secret is probably about cheating on his wife. Or they could go totally left field and he couldve dabbled in the gay waters before. Dobut it. But in Shondaland totally possible.
Cant wait to to see what has gone on in Calzona marriage. I try to cast my mind back to finding clues and I come up empty. I hopinv this is going to be good. Sometimes Shonda hypes things up and.the final product is average. Like the part when Az and Callie are screaming at each other after the cheating was revealed. It was good but not explosive.
The scene on the L Word after Tina found out Bette was cheating was an award winning scene. Thats quality. Thats pushing the envelope for both characters and actresses.
But back on track about this epi lol Wonder why Shonda chose to do flashbacks rather than let it play out on screen?
simply215
Oct. 26th, 2013 03:24 pm (UTC)
I feel in a way that if it's something bad about their marriage then the fans have been deceived all over again and the writer's will have done a terrible job at portraying it that way. Before the crash, yes, we know that had communication issues, but I don't for a second believe that we as fans were supposed to pick up on "troubles" in their marriage. They portrayed them as happy and having make-up sex and Mark as being the only wedge that occasionally came between them. I doubt we were supposed to surmise that they were having deep crazy problems off screen. Maybe at the time they got married for the wrong reasons, whatever those were, but this season could be bringing them back together for the right reasons and having a wedding by season's end. Whatever the past details end up being I think a lot of things will be brought to light in this episode and hopefully they'll decide to work on their marriage and themselves.
gpsc21497
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
This this this please I hope this is what happens
dorcasbarcus
Oct. 26th, 2013 03:40 pm (UTC)
Exciting exciting. Hope McKee won't be addressing every SL in play and C/A will monopolize it al!

Past details - aptly ambiguous from these synopsis people but like - a bookshelf full of possibilities. With all the piling on of Arizona for months now, is this some big Callie reveal? Prior to the S9 finale, friends and I speculated elsewhere that it would turn on its head and the big reveal would be Callie ish. Maybe that time is now. Seems like she is getting to a point of healthy recovery, having professional success - about time for another major Grey's setback.

McKee's sentimentality about the ep - how to fit that in the puzzle if it is more bad stuff for them to process and try to get beyond......
carelikecrazy
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:04 pm (UTC)
The piece of the McKee puzzle that concerns me is that she tweeted about Sara & Jessica's performances separately, on different days. My hope is that they shot their POVs of the same scene on subsequent days, but that doesn't seem to make much production sense (lighting set-up, hair, make-up, costumes, props, continuity). Although their last scene of S9 and their first scene of S10 matched perfectly, so...maybe?
clevy1
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
I think Carlos might tell callie that he left her mom. As for callie cheating on arizona, I just don't see it. She's been cheated on so I doubt she would do it herself knowing how awful it feels to be on the other end of that. Besides I don't see callie as being able to keep a secret like that. She wears her heart on her sleeve and she always deals with her emotions externally so I have a hard time imagining Callie carrying a secret like that for any length of time. I think we will get a view into how their relationship had deteriorated over the last couple of years with all the trauma that they went through in order to show how arizona was feeling and how both of them got to be so unhappy and how they lost themselves.
mak62184
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:27 pm (UTC)
That's more what I think. Even with something minor like Bailey being mad at all of them last season, Callie was bad at giving the silent treatment. I think Callie generally can keep secrets when they don't directly involve her, like Meredith's panties. But, when it comes to herself, she lets the whole world know.
sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
Can I just say that this synopsis is my all time favorite? All about Callie and Arizona... I like it...lol

Besides I love Carlos too... So the episode can be all about Callie, Arizona and Carlos that I don't mind... At all.
harki31
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:19 pm (UTC)
I think part of the reveal with be whatever is lacking for Arizona in the marriage. That's been mentioned a couple times in interviews.
sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah... I'm curious to know who's gonna make the reveal though... My guess is Callie, but I'm not sure she's aware of what's going on with Arizona.
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corinnem95
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
They better bring up the 4 days.
sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:38 pm (UTC)
YES!
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trstone
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
Past details could mean season 9 stuff but in discussing it they refer back to even older hurts and resentments....I've always thought the tough stuff that Az likely puts out there is that she feels Callie stayed out of obligation more than out of love and/or that Callie wishes Mark had survived and Az feels guilt and many other things over that......

I think it is likely that Carlos reveals he cheated. I think much like the overused PTSD thing, cheating on this show is losing its impact as a plot device....maybe it is something else, I'd prefer to be surprised and have it not be cheating.....
951priscilla
Oct. 26th, 2013 09:12 pm (UTC)
Jessica has said in more than one interview that Arizona keeps taking it on the chin. It does seem like we could get a burst of feelings in a 30 second diatribe.
jenrind
Oct. 26th, 2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
I said on twitter that this sounds like fanfiction. You know how we always want to know all of the missing details? I won't be surprised if we're going to get moments that people here have actually written themselves.

So, we're going to get some happy times, sad times and moments of truth with the title of the episode as a big clue.

Moments from their marriage -- a brilliant person on tumblr recognized the blouse that Sara was wearing during the script read through as the one she has on in the family photo with Arizona and Sofia. So a flashback to this moment.

Why did Callie think marrying Arizona was going to be a mistake?

The missing 4 days -- There's a reason Callie didn't go to Boise...she couldn't. Why?

Arizona's return -- What did Callie really think/feel when she saw Arizona's leg?

Arizona waking up and learning she didn't have a leg.

Callie's an orthopedic surgeon. She couldn't save her wife's leg and this guilt is something they've never addressed. The guilt likely caused a lot of their problems. I think Callie may also have known that patients need someone to blame. In the sides, she tells the patient to blame her and not his girlfriend. This is likely after Arizona has lost her leg, but I would love for it to be before. Because it shows how much Callie knows and understands the emotional reactions of her patients. So Callie is prepared for Arizona, as her patient, to hate Callie because Callie is her doctor and her wife. There's no escape.

For me, this episode is going to be Callie accepting responsibility for mistakes she's made in their marriage. I think Arizona will be supportive of Callie during the lawsuit, but when Callie suggests they go to counseling or try to work on their marriage, Arizona's not going to be ready. But I probably think this because I hope it to be true. I want to see Callie give a bit of pursuit.


sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:11 pm (UTC)
I hope you're right... I wanna see all of that too.

I know a lot of people are waiting for Arizona prespective (me included) but I don't think we're gonna have a lot of it in this episode. Like you said, I think this is gonna be about what Callie thinks it went wrong and her responsability in it...

I guess we're gonna have to wait a little longer to hear Arizona.
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trstone
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:09 pm (UTC)
For once, I think the writing is not like fanfiction at all....a lot of what fans want to see and all the speculation is the fanfiction, as it should be, that is where the fun is!!

This is playing out pretty much as we have been told about/warned about in the interviews. We were told several times about past issues and Jcap said Az would reveal what was missing in the marriage....we're close now to some actual facts, some reveals about Az's state of mind, and maybe Callie will spill some stuff too, that led her to cheating with Boswell.

I am a bit confused about why they threw the Leah stuff in at this point....unless Callie finding out about it, and I think she will very soon, is important to instigate the showdown with Az revealing her discontent....and of course it is partly in service to pulling Leah into the fold and fleshing out her character.....

mangomuumuu
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:41 pm (UTC)
Callie is growing and finding strength apart from Arizona with some help from Derek and Meredith. I'd be surprised if we don't see some growth from Arizona separate from Callie. April was a small part of helping Arizona get that her marriage is over.

The very interesting thing about Leah is she will be the victim of a violent attack. What if Leah experiences nightmares or some PTSD while in Arizona's orbit?
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lem0915
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:14 pm (UTC)
I have a lot of wishes for this episode, and of course the quality of their scenes is top but I know McKee, Jessica and Sara will deliver so I'm not worried about that. The quantity I'm a little worried about, Crowen and Mer/Der consistently get multiple scenes when there is a big turn in their relationships. I hope they do their big conversation justice by breaking it into at least two scenes, a continuation of it. Otherwise I'm afraid of a 1.30 min scene which has been past history - 9x24, and on back to all of their discussions. This just isn't going to be enough when going into past details.

I'm on board with Carlos revealing he cheated, and Callie can gain perspective from someone she admires and trusts that it happens and can be recovered from, and have forgiveness. I think more than that (he's not her father) would take away from the emotions that the episode is focused on which are Callie and Arizona's. I'm not always good at getting all the medical anvils, one I'm thinking is Callie understanding Arizona's loss on a deeper level through the surfer's loss, so more forgiveness.

In the spoiler it said this is the episode we get to hear Arizona's thoughts and feelings. They are combative in ep 8, so I guess that is an opening. I'm really excited to hear Arizona's feelings, I feel like I'm watching a mystery show instead of a drama. Jessica has said there may be things that bothered Arizona from taking things on the chin, and I get that could be, but I take it with a grain of salt because I do love her but she isn't always on point for the long view (thinking they would have already had Arizona go down the rabbit hole). I think those comments (of way past) they were only filming ep 4. Like others mentioned going too far back in detail is going to mess with continuity/canon.

But in the context of season 9 (with him dying) they can still bring up any feelings she may have harbored about Mark, that she questioned Callie's love (which I view as the character's view and not the truth), or guilt that she let him down by not taking care of her girls. In her own recovery, there may be some feelings revealed that will be a shock to us (although I'm not sure Shonda gives us credit to already know about understanding many of them). They are making a pretty big deal of Arizona not wanting to be alone since their separation so I wonder if it was her that returned from Africa with love, but stayed to not be alone. Callie not wanting to be alone, feeling obligated. So. Many. Possibilities.

I don't doubt their love, wanting to love, but all of the daring greatly and vulnerability has to be part of their story and they both need to take risks to let the love through. I think it will be mutual, or Arizona that decides they can't be together and it will be played as over, but really won't be. Jessica retweeted someone (here! :) ) that McKee wrote their "I love you's", "I do's", and now something big. I just can't see that it will be reconciliation yet. I'm preparing. Anyone willing to virtually hold my hand, I'm here for you too :)

ETA: Sorry that I repeated some of the above comments from all of you - I actually always read threads, but had stopped my comment in the middle to go do something.

Edited at 2013-10-26 05:23 pm (UTC)
walking_weapon
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
Well now I really have no idea what to expect...But I could se Carlos having an infidelity related secret possibly. If so that would blow things wide open. I'm hoping the past details we learn about are good ones, or at least not damaging ones. There's really enough going on right now for them.
sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:20 pm (UTC)
I hate hate hate this storyline...

... But at the same time I'm soooo excited to see where this is going.

simply215
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:41 pm (UTC)
I'm going to go out on a limb and toss this out there for possible debate. Arizona has insecurities, she bails, she's been "stared at" her entire life for being different, she doesn't like to be alone, she's using sex to numb her loneliness (or whatever), etc. What about the possibility she was assaulted in the the past with all the stuff that's going on her life, the crash, the amputation, the change in personality, the promiscuity? Not a subject to be taken lightly, but with the sides that were posted for the Halloween episode things may just be coming to a head. A nightmare may trigger it.

Edited at 2013-10-26 05:50 pm (UTC)
vmalone
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:49 pm (UTC)
I apologize if this was already mentioned by someone, but I have a feeling that this is going to be similar to the Crowen episode in season 8 where they discuss his cheating and a retrospective of their relationship. They go over things and find the cracks in the relationship from the beginning.

Last year, the thought of this would've wrecked me, but I'm just so checked out now. I just feel like this storyline has been handled so poorly. The performances will be great of course; which is the thing that kind of always saves the show.
theatricaldiva
Oct. 26th, 2013 05:50 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm

In terms of the thing Carlos revealed, someone posted on tumblr the wikipedia page for Aria Torres - it says Carlos Torres step father and Callie Torres half sister. Now I know wikipedia is often not accurate but I think this could be telling. That Lucia cheated on Carlos or something else I'm not sure. Or it could be nothing to do with this but I have a feeling that one of Callie's parents cheated.

In terms of the whole past details on their marriage - they say the devil is in the detail and I think there is something about the use of the word 'details' is important and the word 'marriage'. Why not say relationship? Details suggest more than one thing and sounds quite official or even legal - I wonder if its to do with the validity of their marriage.

Or it could be as some have suggested something to do with Arizona feeling a lack or what she perceives as a lack.

I'm actually excited to see what's going to happen.

Stacey McKee tweeted feeling nostalgic at the end of the day of shooting - that doesn't necessarily mean something bad. I know that there was a tweet by I think Karin Gleson that Jessica ripped her heart out but I don't know I think it maybe something completely different.
951priscilla
Oct. 26th, 2013 09:48 pm (UTC)
Should have read your comment before I posted mine on the first page as I said much the same thing as you have in your first few paragraphs. LOL

I do think we'll learn the "something is missing" that Jessica alluded too. In some ways, I'm scared to hear what it is! She did say what and not who. I do not want it to be "love".
nyladreams
Oct. 26th, 2013 06:43 pm (UTC)
No matter what happens in (or as a result of) this episode, I do believe that from here on out Callie and Arizona are going to really see each other like they never have before; and I don't mean that in a negative way.

And they will both gain clarity and peace (even if not immediate) from the honesty and feelings expressed in whatever conversation(s) they have.
shigg
Oct. 26th, 2013 06:46 pm (UTC)
+1.
I don't believe we have a centric episode if it doesn't at the very least put them on a path of better co-parenting and appreciation for the roles that they have played in each others lives. It is only after that happens, that they come overcome this "deficit" as Jcap called it and come back together down the road.
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jcaplver
Oct. 26th, 2013 06:49 pm (UTC)
In regards to the whole Leah thing it would be interesting if they were getting ready to do it and Arizona is sitting with her leg off nd Leah is like I can't do this. Maybe not because of the leg, but because she is a girl and had never done that before. But Arizona then becomes even more insecure.

Edited at 2013-10-26 06:50 pm (UTC)
sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
All I know is that we all are gonna be a mess after this episode airs... Wanna bet? I'm sensing a lot tears around here in 14th Nov.

Let's stick together people. They can shake this ship all they want. They're not gonna sink it!
(I see water everywhere right now though...)

carelikecrazy
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:17 pm (UTC)
Yes! We'll give new meaning to 'bailing' when it comes to this show. We won't be giving up, we'll be bailing water together to try to keep this ship afloat!!
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lem0915
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:29 pm (UTC)
As far as Callie's shirt being recognized as the one in family picture, does anyone know when that surfaced on set? I know Shonda posted on whosay, but long afterwards because fans were asking for it and she couldn't find it at first.
sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:34 pm (UTC)
I think that picture was in Arizona's hospital room in 9x02... I'm not sure though.
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sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:45 pm (UTC)
I love how we can make almost 200 comments about an one sentence synopsis :D
harki31
Oct. 26th, 2013 07:47 pm (UTC)
Shonda knows what she's doing. I've never seen so much discussion about Calzona before. Not just here, everywhere. It started with the cheating.
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navy01
Oct. 26th, 2013 08:27 pm (UTC)
My feeling is that Callie mom cheated and her dad will get Callie on the path to forgiveness. Just maybe the passed details about the marriage is that Callie mom was there and didn't want her to know. I can see that happening as much as her hated the idea of them getting married its still her daughter.
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sof_123
Oct. 26th, 2013 09:07 pm (UTC)
My guess is that you're gonna be sleeping for quite a while then... ;)
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neolithicdream
Oct. 26th, 2013 09:19 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's time to surrender the ship.

:-(
mangomuumuu
Oct. 26th, 2013 09:29 pm (UTC)
No way! It's getting good now. Hang in!

:)
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